Thursday, March 20, 2008

Poetry on Something

The Flower

I traded shirts with her and I thought
Hey, she looks kind of good in my shirt so I gave her my pants
Then I knew she would look good in my shoes so she took them
Then I had nothing so she gave me everything back

11 comments:

-- said...

Hi, Ricardo. I just wanted to know: why do you call this poetry? When I ask this I'm not trying to tell you it is not. I asked this because I really want to know why.

Ricardo Chungo said...

I call this poetry because it is. haha. There's no other reason. I know it's poetry because it is. If my answer is not satisfactory, then let me know. haha.

-- said...

Well, it is as satisfactory as saying: "I know it is not poetry because it is not".

Ricardo Chungo said...

I have some quotes that might help you grasp what poetry is.

What is Jazz?
Louis Armstrong: "Man, if you gotta ask, you'll never know."

What is Poetry?
Robert Frost: "Poetry is the kind of thing poets write."

I'm a poet. If still unsatisfactory. Look in dictionary and see if the criteria for poems matches my poem, "The Flower", I guess. haha.

-- said...

Well, I never asked what poetry is. I just asked why do you call your writing a poem. The quotes don’t help much, not even the fact you call yourself a poet. I even think that poets are one of the worst references to know what poetry is when they speak as poets. Have you ever read someone’s poetics describing poetry? This is because poetry is one of the most difficult things to define. I’m not asking for that difficult definition, I just asked what intelligible part of that mysterious thing named poetry touches your writing to call it a poem. Since the first time I comment on this post I had already made a judgment in my mind (which will remain in my mind) about your work. My comments were not about clarifying my doubts on poetry, but about knowing your motivations to call your post a poem.

Ricardo Chungo said...

Sorry I couldn't answer your question sir. I wrote these "four lines" with the intention of writing a poem. So the "four lines" plus the title are a poem because I wrote them with the intent of writing a poem. I enjoy your criticism whether they are constructive or destructive, either way, it makes me reconsider and rethink what I'm doing. So let me try answering your question again. "The Flower" is a poem because it was intended to be a poem. If STILL unsatisfactory, then just send another criticism and I'll think even deeper and deeper into the darkest pits of my thoughts.

-- said...

Don't worry, Ricardo. I liked your writing since the begining, that's why I asked my question.

I hope you can keep calling your writen lines poems when you had the intetion of writing one. And again, this could sound rude, but I'm not implying that your lines were not a poem.

In my case, I find difficult to call some of the lines I write a poem just when I have the intention and I make an effort to write one, but this is just my point of view, my personal poetics, and it has more to do with self-criticism.

If we pay attention to the etymological sense of the word "poem" many things coud be a poem, a creation, something made up.

Ricardo Chungo said...

Thank you for the support daddy-o.

Well, I'll explain what I did in my poem. I handpicked every word that is in "The Flower." I'm not just using a random title and I'm definitely not using random things in my poem. I think over my poems for a substancial amount of time and then when I'm sort of happy with it, I establish it as a poem. So I did not just up and write these lines. This comment is to show what a deep thinker I am. haha. you should meditate on my poem and think about it. That'll make me real happy.

But sersly. Thank you for commenting so regularly and actually reading over my posts.

-- said...

…and I know you worked handpicking words and arranging the syntax.

I made clear IN MORE THAN ONE COMMENT that I never said your writing was not a poem. Then, why did you have to explain you didn’t just write some lines and called them a poem? Was it necessary? Just check back my questions and think: was that the topic we were talking about? What moved you to do that, I wonder… What do you gain explaining that you took your time chosing and arranging the words and the sentences to make them a poem when I just asked: WHY DO YOU CALL THIS A POEM? Do you think these facts are enough to call your writing a poem?

And once again, but now I BEG, I IMPLORE:

Don't assume I'm saying your writing is not a poem, please.

Please, don't reply defending the idea that your writing is a poem. That's not necessary.

Please, don't defend your ideas against something nobody has said. Just tell me why do you call your writing a poem.

Wait... I prefer you don’t do it.

I think I’ve got enough information from you to know why you call your lines a poem. If I’m not wrong:

Poetry is poetry because it is poetry. There is not other reason.

Someone's writing is a poem when it is intended to be a poem.

Thank you for taking your time to read and answer my questions.

Ricardo Chungo said...

IT IS POETRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just joking. Sorry. Anywho, despite your claims that you're not trying to unpoetry my poetry, your questions just force me to try and prove that it is poetry. Asking why something is poetry is awfully close to asking if it is poetry. Anywho, I didn't want to answer retardedly and say that it was poetry because I felt it or something like that.

Maybe I just took your question as an attack on whether or not my poetry was poetry.

-- said...

Don't worry. And well, I think "Asking why something is poetry is awfully close to asking if it is poetry" is not neccesarily true, or that's what you think at least. Even if I asked if your writing is poetry I think you shouldn't consider it an attack.

I hope we could overcome this discussion and keep reading our blogs to enjoy more things.